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20 March 2008
Questions About The Trucker Shutdown

This Gentleman Has Some Questions About the shutdown.

Gentlemen, I have just read your posts and would like to ask either or both of you to answer questions one through nine and then I may change my mind, but for now I will not support an disorganized wild cat shut down.

The biggest of these is number 7. What are your demands and who are you going to talk to about getting them resolved. So far all I'm hearing is "Shut down".

I have already read one post on your site from someone threateningly violence. Do you want to be responsible for some one getting killed or injured because you promoted a disorganized shut down? Remember, you may not have a family, but most truckers have a wife and children and grandchildren who want their trucker to come home again for many more years.

I have been shut down since November 15th, as I have done for the last several years. I'm am going out Monday to resume my business of trucking as I do the latter part of March each year. Please do not interfere with the operation of my business and I will not interfere with your work stoppage.

The right to park ones truck or shut down ones business is part of the American way. To interfere with or injure someone in the course of the operation of their business in not an American right.

This was posted yesterday on the website  www.cdlofit.ning.com  by me.  Please come on over and join the group and share your thoughts and see how many supporters you can get from this site as well.


Webster defines a strike as "a work stoppage by a body of workers to enforce compliance with demands made on an employer."
When the CB and Internet strike advocates start calling for a strike what I would like to know is the following:
1.    1.  What is the name of the organization (body of workers) that is calling for the strike? Independent truck owners are not employees and therefore not eligible to strike.
2.      2. Where is the office of the organization?  City, State and street address please.
3.       3.What is the phone number of the office or the president of the organization?
4.      4. What is the name of the president of the organization?
5.      5 When was the organization incorporated as a LEGAL BARGAINING UNIT?
6.      6 Who is the strike directed against (the employer)?
7.       7What are the DEMANDS being made on that employer?
8.      8 How long have the leaders of the LEGAL BARGAINING UNIT been in good faith negotiations with the employer prior to reaching an impasse?
9.      9 How much are dues to belong to the striking organization?
 
When they cannot answer any of the questions and start on with the "IF WE ALL STICK TOGETHER….." ask the person for their personal phone number so that you can call and discuss the specifics of the "work stoppage" with them.

Should they be dumb enough, and some will be, to give you a correct phone number, then your response can be something like this, "thank you for your number. I will be passing this along to law enforcement so that in the event YOUR strike talk results in someone being killed or injured by some crazy during the period that YOU, as the apparent organizer, have called for a strike, the law can hunt you down and charge you as an accessory to the crime."

Now assuming that someone can actually answer any of the above questions then the MEMBERS of the organization, in my opinion, are free to strike as long as they do not interfere with my right to conduct my business in a safe and legal manner.

This horse (an Independent Truckers strike) was dead after the first attempt at a NATION WIDE INDEPENDENT TRUCKERS STRIKE in 1973.

It was a result of that failed attempt at "IF WE ALL STICK TOGETHER" that OOIDA was formed.
I have not followed the press on this attempt but in the past some of the trucking media have been irresponsible enough to give coverage to some who claim to have organized a strike. The one that comes to mind was a few years ago when two brothers and a sister from Idaho called for a strike.
 I think that they asked all strike supporters to fly a blue or purple ribbon from their mirror so others would know that they supported the strike. During that time I saw ONE China-Mart bag tied to a grab handle.

They got a lot of media coverage and of course the strike date came and went and thankfully no one got hurt that I know of.

Look at all the bickering and failure to agree on much of anything that is posted daily on this website.
The few of you who are posting on trucker to trucker cannot even agree on a date let alone an agenda.
The ORGANIZED unions can't even get it together. One month they strike one company and a few months later they strike another company. If they were truly going to be effective it would seem that they would have all contracts expire at the same time so that a strike would truly make a difference.
Also look at the recent Writers strike. Look at how many other people in support jobs and businesses that relied on the entertainment business were severely affected.

I case there is any doubt as to where I stand. I will not be a part of any shut down call from any organization to which I am not a voting member. (I belong to none so that is not an issue).
I'm with the "WORK SMARTER NOT HARDER" group.

"If it doesn't pay enough and you cannot negotiate a rate that works for you don't haul the load"
"This country was founded on the free enterprise system". That applies to oil companies and brokers as well as to trucking business owners, whether you have one truck or several thousand trucks.
We are guaranteed the "pursuit of happiness" with no guarantee that we will ever find it.
 
Would you like the government to come in and "dictate" that a Big Mac must sell for $10.00 so Micky D can make a bigger profit? Why is that different than the call for the government to set freight rates at a level that even a blithering idiot can make money in trucking?

For those that want to have the "government" set the margin that a broker can make, then why should they not set the trucking rates so low that shippers won't have to pass on cost increases to consumers?

 If you think being a broker is a get rich quick scheme,  just put a phone in your living room, get a license and bond and you will be on your way to Tahiti in 6 months.  Isn't that easy boys and girls. Been there, done that, have the scares to prove it.

If you agree to haul a load for what is offered and you are paid every penny that was agreed to then you did not get cheated. If you cannot make a profit at the rate offered, then don't haul the load or negotiate for a rate that works for you.

We already have too much government interference in our lives and businesses.
I respect any business owner's right to shut down his business for a few hours, days, or forever.
So if a large number of Independent Truckers all want to go home and shut down at the same time that is their right. Please do not interfere with my business and the business of others as we attempt to provide service to your previous customers.

What CAN we do? Since interest rates that we can earn on our savings is getting lower with every interest rate cut, the stock market may or may not be a bit risky for a while, what can we do?
My answer is to stock up on non perishable supplies for home and business at this time. This would especially be products that have petroleum as a component. When you do stock up, mark the date and price paid, including sales tax on the boxes and bags and in 6, 12 and 24 months, I think you will find that you have earned a much better return on today's investment as those products will probably be much higher down the road. If the stock market crashes, you lose your money. If the price of the products that you stocked up on goes down before you need to restock, you still have the products to use.

The benefit is many fold, first you will have supplies on hand should "everyone stick together and shut the economy down". Second you will be helping the current economy by buying more goods than you normally would at this time. That translates into more orders that the retailer will place to restock his shelves and that generates more manufacturing jobs and more freight for trucks to haul.
So you see, I do agree that "if we all stick together "we can make a difference. Let "all stick together" for the right reason. So run out to the store and stock up TODAY!" and tomorrow we will have plenty of freight to haul and can NEGOTIATE the rates that we need to be profitable.

Here are some more silver linings in this cloudy environment.  Most of these have been mentioned on other forums but are worth repeating.  Interest rates are very low if you are thinking about buying more trucking equipment from those who are going to "hang it up" this is a good time to be securing financing.  I remember interest rates of 16% back in the late 70's or early 80's. The same benefit applies if you are thinking about moving from being a renter to becoming a home owner or a landlord.
In some regards maybe the business has become too easy. When many of us started trucking 30 -50 years ago, we did not have, cell phones, Internet access either at home or in the truck, or load boards. We operated under a split system. Those with big buck had the authority to haul any manufactured products and household goods and the rest of us hauled "exempt commodities" or "Trip Leased" to the company with the authority.

We had brokers then and there will be brokers tomorrow. It is just so much easier for both sides to get into business and find each other now.  That makes it easier for a broker to find a "poor business person" or a "desperate O/O" who will haul at a low rate. It also makes it easier for the trucking business owner to contact enough brokers and shippers to find a load that does pay what he or she wants.

Times change and those that don't change with the times or attempt to be ahead of the changes will probably go by the way side.  It's just a fact of life.

Posted by TruckerJim at 2:23 PM  |  LINK to this post  |  12 comment s  |  Subscribe


Very good read, Many good points to ponder, I for one agree with many of your point's, I myself fear some of the repercussions of a strike, it was dangerous business back in the 70's we live in much different times today, I shun to think what could happen in today's world. I too want to make a big statement, but is this the right way? I want no violence, I plan to just stay home and enjoy a little down time whenever or whatever happens. Just to add I have been BOYCOTTING on my own to the current rates, slowing down to save fuel, running on the night shift when I can, staying out longer. It takes not only smarter trucking, it means harder trucking, more sacrifice, this is what I mean when I say "I will not go down without a FIGHT". I'm a military brat,I also spent 20yrs in the AIR FORCE, I have a military way of thinking in everything I do (ask my wife and 5 daughters) LOL, the first thing you learn in all the services is to ADAPED AND OVERCOME....this works in all walks of life. This is how I will over come this current crises in my life, I have been working on this now going on 15yrs as a O/O, it has been a long and grinding road. I retired from the AF took the Lump sum option, payed off all my bills, bought our Victorian dream home and bought my dream truck an 89 Flat top Pete, $10,000.00 in the bank had life by the azz, 6 mons later my dream had turn into a nightmare, when thur all the right companies big and small, gone weeks at a time, no life, baby girls growing up, beautiful wife aging from stress of raising girls that act like there dad, bills, loneliness, sacrificing much, so I could live my dream to be a Independent Owner Operator! Sound familiar to anyone...I've lost all that I have managed to gain over the years, but my wife (29 yrs in june) my girls (+7 grand kids 3 boys findly) my spirit, my determination, and my pride in what I have chosen to do for the rest of my life, Lord willin. I learned a long time ago that I would never achieve my goals as a O/O leasing to all the right companies. I finally got the opportunity to get my own authority(Nov 07) yea, I'm still struggling, yea, what a lot of BS bureaucracy, but I'm not looking back, I wish I would of done it years ago, for the first time as a O/O I do feel Independent yea, its scary but...... I have been on a lot of Trucker web sites have had hours of discussion will tons of different truckers with different views than I, have learned a lot that I didn't know or didn't realize, to them I am grateful, but I still stand by my belief that you have to live this profession as a life style not just a job. What I learned from them is, (although I hate to agree), is that our industry is in the process of thinning the herd, the weak and dieing will be eliminated. I don't know where I fit into this process, but those that do survive will benefit greatly. I hate to think of all the truckers and their family's that will be affected by this crises, I pray for them all, I have always lived by one simple rule that being "No matter how bad my life is, somebody else has it worse than I"....this has gotten me thur some very tuff times... I wish you all GOOD LUCK AND MY GOD BLESS YOU...
Posted by charles miller on March 20, 2008 at 8:25 PM


May 1st-8th Enough is Enough BOYCOTT. What and who is doing this? Truckers, be it drivers, O/O leased, or Independants. How many times have you heard people complain about rising fuel and gas costs? How many times have you heard someone trying to do something? This movement is to call attention to the plight of ALL of trucking. Fuel prices are just the icing on the cake. The threat of Mexican Trucks, addition of toll roads, increasing taxes, low frieght rates. The trucking industry has been getting hit from all sides. Many trucks where equiped with APU in 2005 and 2006, to save fuel, and to handle anti-idling laws. Then CA made all APU's that do not meet 2007 emission standards unusable. Those truck owners are now out thousands, and for what. We don't need an organization to lead, We need unity! You sound content in what you do and how it is progressing for you. Not all are blessed as you seem to have been. Fuel costs are crippling our nation and choking the trucking industry. If the failure of the 5th largest Investment bank in our country doesn't open your eyes to that reality, nothing will. The mortage market kept being blown up until it burst. Now, many of the investors are in the specultive oil market, driving it up. 20% of the current price per barrel is blamed on this very fact. I will not complain any longer. I will act. I will encourage all to take part in this boycott. I will encourage all to assist in stopping the flow of fuels for that one week. Whether that means blocking fuel pumps, refineries, or any other non violent means someone can come up with. This is long overdue.
Posted by Shoestring1 on March 21, 2008 at 12:52 AM


SHOESTRING1, Tell me do you read me? I do support this, YES, I am aware of All the issues you pointed out. I also understand the points TRUCKERJIM posted. We are all aware of the mess the country is in, I see a lot of support from the Non Trucker community, many support and feel for us! I just want this to go right as TJ said, we can't go into this half cocked, we need to be locked and loaded... As for being Blessed I have been blessed Thur hard work sacrifice and determination, after 10yrs of this I was broke, whipped, wore out and broken down, found out I had high blood pressure and type two diabetes , and after two major truck breakdowns in three week I was done, sold my paid for truck and trailer to pay what I could, went thur 5 company driver jobs and decided I'm not company material. Once I got my health back under control, I found a new Drive to try being a O/O again. I'm a retread, this is my last chance to make it and I'm going to make it..with or without this action!!
Posted by charles miller on March 21, 2008 at 8:25 PM


um yea, truckers get over yourselves your not going to shut down because um, oh yea, YOU CANT AFFORD TO STOP WORKING... truckers are not highly skilled laborers that can not be replaced at the drop of a hat. thats why you have no bargaining power anymore. Its ok alot of industries are like that now. Its nobodies fault so stop your damn crying, thats the cost of evalution, people become smarter and more educated everyday as a result human skills become more abbundant therefore flooding the market. Companies do not need to raise wages because YOUR EXPENDABLE. I'm not saying that to be mean its just reality. If you were not expendable then you would be paid alot better. otherwise why do you get paid so poorly huh? think about it. I drove for awhile because I lost my job. I discovered trucking is not a career for me. Its a job you do when a career fails. the point of this is not to insult, its just that instead of all the idle threats and complaining you do, why don't you just get another job. believe me, no one will care and you will more than likely be happier. however, if you do love it and I know many of you do, please continue to do the great job that you do. we as consumers do thank those of you who do this difficult job every day, but do it with a smile and dont complain. Thank you!
Posted by chaz on March 23, 2008 at 8:17 AM


Different things are important to different people, just a fact of life. Most on here who what change seem to be concerned about fuel prices, government regulations, some want more some want less, and the role of brokers in the industry.
For those of you who use brokers, would you like to have to find the names and numbers of the 50, 100 or 150 companies that each of the broker serves and then you call each one of them every day to see if they have a load you can haul? Then you still have to negotiate the rate?
We as truckers are trying to get every dime we can for our services. Can some one tell me why the brokers, the truck stops, the grocery store owner and even China-mart should not be allowed to make all the profit that they can?
Why should my babyruth candy bar be 3 for a dollar at the grocery store, 50 cents each at Dollar General and 89 cents at the truck stop or quick mart store? Answers please. I do exercise my right not to buy at the quick mart store, but that has not caused them to lower the price yet. Guess there are still plenty of people willing to pay 89 cents.
Now here is what I want to see changed. Don't get your panties in a wad, I'm trying to make a point by being absurd. Since I do not borrow money, pay my credit card balances in full each month and save money, I would like to see interest rates go back up to 20 percent so that I could live more comfortably on my retirement savings. Now of course this is ridiculous.
The banking business is no different than trucking. They just use different terms. I use the banker (call him a broker) to find someone to borrow (rent) my money for a fee (interest rate). The Banker/Broker takes a fee from the interest charged (this is like a freight rate) and gives me a part of the interest collected. Now, I have to "negotiate" with the banks to get the highest interest rate (freight rate) that I can. To do that when I have money to rent out (a truck that needs a load), then I call several banks to see who will give me the highest interest rate on the money that I'm going to ask them to broker for me.
So once again, don't take the first offer the broker makes to you. It's his job to get the load moved as cheaply as he can and make all that he can. Go to the library or book store and get books on negotiating and managing a business and become better at you chosen business. Jim
Posted by Capt Klutterbuck on March 23, 2008 at 6:45 PM


I AM "THE CHAZZ" and the pomp ass chaz just go away, trucking isn't for you so why do you think you should have a opinion? YOU COULD'NT HANDLE TRUCKING, SO WHAT'S THAT MAKE YOU!!!! So you were a company driver huh! boy that give you a lot of insight to the challenges of running a business....I'm glad the trucking job didn't workout for you, we don't want your kind around....your a great asset cleaning toilets at McDonald's... stick to what you KNOW...
Posted by charles miller on March 24, 2008 at 8:41 AM


AS A MECHANIC TRUCK DRIVERS CAN BE A PAIN IN THE BUTT, BUT SO CAN THE MECHANICS.I WOULD LIKE TO SAY ITS ABOUT TIME THIS INDUSTRY STANDS UP FOR ITSELF. I SUPPORT THIS SHUTDOWN 100%, I HOPE THE GOVERNMENT GETS A REAL EYE OPENER IF WE DO NOT HAVE ANY TRUCKS TO DELIVER OUR GOODS. MAKE IT HAPPEN AND GOOD LUCK
Posted by kris on March 24, 2008 at 4:04 PM


I AM A PARTS REP. FOR A KENWORTH DEALER AND I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE ALL TRUCKERS A PAT ON THE BACK FOR STANDING UP FOR WHAT U BELIEVE IN . KEEP ON ROLLIN
Posted by CASEY on March 24, 2008 at 4:08 PM


the shutdown can work but only if the truckers price goes up and what a better time to up the price than the week after. SO EVERYBODY THIS MEANS INDEPENDANT AND FLEET TRUCKERS RAISE YOUR PRICES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by tracy on March 25, 2008 at 6:13 PM


I'm not a trucker, but I am a small business owner. If I had to endure the tax, fuel and insurance burden O/O's put up with, I wouldn't own my own business. It's ridiculous the way everyone treats truck owners like giant cash cows. The stupid fines over meaningless, NON-safety issues? The ridiculous taxes? The harassment? I don't know how you folks are hanging on, but I wish you all Godspeed. As always, you have this writer's support! UglyAssOpinion dot com
Posted by K Trainor on March 26, 2008 at 12:11 PM


TruckerJim......I just want to say that your posting is the most intelligent article I have read in a long time. You are so right about the broker thing, as a broker, when a carrier/driver call me to inquire about a load, I DO NOT force anyone to take a load. I offer the highest rate that my customer is willing to pay and if it doesn't fit into the carrier/drivers salary requirements......then don't take it. Plain and simple. You are not going to hurt my feeling. Go onto to the next broker until you find the salary requirement you are looking for. As for the "big bucks" brokers are making........sorry, they aren't here. Maybe check the shippers/customer. The other point I'd like to make: The truck next to you WILL take the "cheap" load. Thx
Posted by Amy on March 28, 2008 at 9:56 AM


I am going to shut down business,It with on 4/2/08 going to be in new york city have to get out of new york.
Posted by ZEB on March 29, 2008 at 8:25 PM